16 May
2024
16 May
'24
8:03 a.m.
I'm going to Bring this back into discuss,
I disagree with membership being use as an issue here. Someone not being
a paying member is not a concern I have over decision making in 57north.
However the spending we do has to aligned with to forwarding 57north is,
I would ague that these stickers are really for Scotcon, where there is
an overlap and raises the profile of 57north in the national and
international community.
Midder
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [57north-discuss] Re: Sticker making session & bulk ordering
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 06:07:13 +0100
Hi Vishnee,
I am taking this email chain out of the discussion mailing list.
We are appreciative of your work putting into designing stickers,
however there are some serious concerns about your request. Some have
already been raised by other directors of 57North.
We are a community led organisation, and do not have the budget to spend
£320 on stickers. If it were to be £100 or so, that would be different
story.
Our source of income is generated through membership fees, and we want
to ensure the money is not spend on a folly of one or two of the
members, but rather have a meaningful contribution to the community.
Without knowing the actual designs of your stickers, we do not have
sufficient information to assess whether your stickers are a folly or
benefit the hackerspace members. Looking at the file names, my
observation is they are for your folly, i.e. social centre activity, but
I am happy to be corrected.
Another point of concern is that you are not a paying member. While you
are free to make suggestions to the space, we are free to ignore them.
On this occasion we have given it consideration, and not deemed it
worthwhile for our cause. If you were a paying member, you would be
having more say in our spends, but not at this time.
If you have any queries on our decision making, I would encourage you to
become a paying member and raise them queries at the AGM.
Best regards,
Wouter
On Wed, 15 May 2024, 22:35 Victoria Neumann, <me(a)vishnee.de> wrote:
Sheet stickers are not durable though. They might be cheap, but that's
why they are cheap. Like the small Gary ones that are still having
around.
Looking for vinyl or PVC sticklers, the cheapest I found were those
from
https://www.stickermarket.co.uk/
If you can find some for similar quality, you welcome to search for it.
Took some stickers off the list and Midder is happy to pay £120, so
that
would make the whole amount for hacklab for just over £320 (see
screenshot).
cheers,
vishnee
On 15/05/2024 09:39, Andy Gaskell wrote:
like
to
Hiya
Who was the sticker printing with & how many of each of the 9
stickers
would that be?
Last time I got stickers done, which was a few years ago, I used FMG
down in Brighton. I'd used them for stationery, flyers and cards
before. Looking at their website they've got loads of options,
but you
can buy 100 sheets of A4 stickers for £192. Depending
how big the
stickers were, but could probably get 4 sets of 9 on an A4 sheet, so
that'd be 400 x 9 stickers.
https://www.facemediagroup.co.uk/promo-print/stickers/sticker-sheets
<https://www.facemediagroup.co.uk/promo-print/stickers/sticker-sheets>
I was wondering what we did before, and if we wrote it down, all
I could
find was from 2016, on
https://scottishconsulate.org/33c3/planning
<https://scottishconsulate.org/33c3/planning> which mentions 500
stickers for £20. Looking at the website it mentions,
digitalprinting.co.uk <http://digitalprinting.co.uk>
<http://digitalprinting.co.uk> there are a lot of
options, but, for example, it looks like you can get
100 sheets,
with 48
stickers per sheet for £16.
Not sure what exactly we can afford, but there might be more cost
effective options.
I'm happy to help with preparing design files for printing, done
a fair
bit of that before in a past life.
Looking back through things, the last 3 figure expenditure (aside
from
rent) that was discussed, was the proposal for a load
of welding
gear,
which was £700-1000, but we decided we couldn't
really afford that.
The email thread from last January is at...
https://lists.57north.org.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/57north-discuss@lists…
<https://lists.57north.org.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/57north-discuss@lists.57north.org.uk/thread/VYOPSMYSOGWY6DNF3BWKKUQPOFAEHJTR/>
I think we're generally pretty cautious on spending hackspace
funds, but
I think that's kind of a fair responsibility to
the membership,
which is
where the money comes from, at the end of the day.
Financials,
expenditure and stuff will be things to go through at the AGM on
(provisionally) the 18th of June.
Cheers
Andy
On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 08:14, Tom Jones <tj(a)enoti.me
<mailto:tj@enoti.me>> wrote:
Hi,
£750 is far in excess of what the hackerspace can afford to
spend on
stickers. Please do not order anything without
approval from
the board.
Anything ordered before approval will not be reimbursed.
Tom
On Tue, May 14, 2024, at 23:12, Victoria Neumann wrote:
> hi everyone,
>
> there are now 7 stickers (in total 9 version) to be
ordered and
it comes
> out to about £750.
>
> Is that still ok to use hacklab funds for the emf sticker
exchange?
>
> cheers,
> vishnee
>
> On 16/04/2024 20:59, vishnee wrote:
>> hello everyone,
>>
>> the lack of cool buckie, gary and other stickers cannot
stand,
> especially
before emf!
>
> for this i'm planning a diy sticker making session next week
during
the
> open day following the guiede by the c3stoc
(c3 sticker
operation centre):
<https://stickeroperation.center/how-to-sticker/>
>>
>> join with ideas, recommendations, or sticker files you'd see!
57north-discuss(a)lists.57north.org.uk
>
> also, could we do a bulk order via the hacklab?
>
> cheers,
> vishnee
>
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16 May
16 May
8:51 a.m.
Hi
Yea, fair enough bringing this back into discus, it's good to have an open
dialogue about these things.
To help us, as an organization, have a shared understanding of how money is
to be spent, I created a wiki page about it.
https://wiki.57north.org.uk/doku.php?id=admin:spending_money
It's a wiki page, so amend and improve it as you see fit :)
I also created a stickers page, so we can share sticker designs, info on
suppliers and tips.
https://wiki.57north.org.uk/doku.php?id=projects:stickers
I think if we store sticker designs here, work won't be lost & they can be
reprinted in future.
I guess in practice, there are a few separate questions...
1) Do we have this money available to spend?
2) Do members think this is a good thing to spend money on?
More info on what is proposed would be handy, for example...
- What do the stickers look like?
- Where would they be bought from?
- How many of each?
...so some of this info would probably be useful to help with this decision
making, and would also mean others could offer help and input.
Thanks
Andy
On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 09:03, Midder <midder(a)protodox.com> wrote:
I'm going to Bring this back into discuss,
I disagree with membership being use as an issue here. Someone not being a
paying member is not a concern I have over decision making in 57north.
However the spending we do has to aligned with to forwarding 57north is, I
would ague that these stickers are really for Scotcon, where there is an
overlap and raises the profile of 57north in the national and international
community.
Midder
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [57north-discuss] Re: Sticker making session & bulk ordering
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 06:07:13 +0100
Hi Vishnee,
I am taking this email chain out of the discussion mailing list.
We are appreciative of your work putting into designing stickers, however
there are some serious concerns about your request. Some have already been
raised by other directors of 57North.
We are a community led organisation, and do not have the budget to spend
£320 on stickers. If it were to be £100 or so, that would be different
story.
Our source of income is generated through membership fees, and we want to
ensure the money is not spend on a folly of one or two of the members, but
rather have a meaningful contribution to the community. Without knowing the
actual designs of your stickers, we do not have sufficient information to
assess whether your stickers are a folly or benefit the hackerspace
members. Looking at the file names, my observation is they are for your
folly, i.e. social centre activity, but I am happy to be corrected.
Another point of concern is that you are not a paying member. While you
are free to make suggestions to the space, we are free to ignore them. On
this occasion we have given it consideration, and not deemed it worthwhile
for our cause. If you were a paying member, you would be having more say in
our spends, but not at this time.
If you have any queries on our decision making, I would encourage you to
become a paying member and raise them queries at the AGM.
Best regards,
Wouter
On Wed, 15 May 2024, 22:35 Victoria Neumann, <me(a)vishnee.de> wrote:
Sheet stickers are not durable though. They might
be cheap, but that's
why they are cheap. Like the small Gary ones that are still having around.
Looking for vinyl or PVC sticklers, the cheapest I found were those from
https://www.stickermarket.co.uk/
If you can find some for similar quality, you welcome to search for it.
Took some stickers off the list and Midder is happy to pay £120, so that
would make the whole amount for hacklab for just over £320 (see
screenshot).
cheers,
vishnee
On 15/05/2024 09:39, Andy Gaskell wrote:
57north-discuss(a)lists.57north.org.uk
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Hiya
Who was the sticker printing with & how many of each of the 9 stickers
would that be?
Last time I got stickers done, which was a few years ago, I used FMG
down in Brighton. I'd used them for stationery, flyers and cards
before. Looking at their website they've got loads of options, but you
can buy 100 sheets of A4 stickers for £192. Depending how big the
stickers were, but could probably get 4 sets of 9 on an A4 sheet, so
that'd be 400 x 9 stickers.
https://www.facemediagroup.co.uk/promo-print/stickers/sticker-sheets
<https://www.facemediagroup.co.uk/promo-print/stickers/sticker-sheets>
I was wondering what we did before, and if we wrote it down, all I
could
find was from 2016, on
https://scottishconsulate.org/33c3/planning
<https://scottishconsulate.org/33c3/planning> which mentions 500
stickers for £20. Looking at the website it mentions,
digitalprinting.co.uk <http://digitalprinting.co.uk> there are a lot
of
options, but, for example, it looks like you can
get 100 sheets, with
48
stickers per sheet for £16.
Not sure what exactly we can afford, but there might be more cost
effective options.
I'm happy to help with preparing design files for printing, done a fair
bit of that before in a past life.
Looking back through things, the last 3 figure expenditure (aside from
rent) that was discussed, was the proposal for a load of welding gear,
which was £700-1000, but we decided we couldn't really afford that.
The email thread from last January is at...
https://lists.57north.org.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/57north-discuss@lists…
<
https://lists.57north.org.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/57north-discuss@lists…
I think we're generally pretty cautious on spending hackspace funds,
but
I think that's kind of a fair responsibility
to the membership, which
is
where the money comes from, at the end of the
day. Financials,
expenditure and stuff will be things to go through at the AGM on
(provisionally) the 18th of June.
Cheers
Andy
On Wed, 15 May 2024 at 08:14, Tom Jones <tj(a)enoti.me
<mailto:tj@enoti.me>> wrote:
Hi,
£750 is far in excess of what the hackerspace can afford to spend on
stickers. Please do not order anything without approval from the
board.
Anything ordered before approval will not be reimbursed.
Tom
On Tue, May 14, 2024, at 23:12, Victoria Neumann wrote:
exchange?
hi everyone,
there are now 7 stickers (in total 9 version) to be ordered and
it comes
> out to about £750.
>
> Is that still ok to use hacklab funds for the emf sticker
cheers,
vishnee
On 16/04/2024 20:59, vishnee wrote:
> hello everyone,
>
> the lack of cool buckie, gary and other stickers cannot stand,
> especially before emf!
>
> for this i'm planning a diy sticker making session next week
during
the
> open day following the guiede by the c3stoc
(c3 sticker
operation centre):
<https://stickeroperation.center/how-to-sticker/>
>
> join with ideas, recommendations, or sticker files you'd like to
see!
>
> also, could we do a bulk order via the hacklab?
>
> cheers,
> vishnee
>
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17 May
17 May
1:28 p.m.
Hi,
thanks for bringing the practicalities back Andy!
I've put the stickers from the sticker making session into the wiki with
a link on the page you created.
As a non member who can't decide on anything except their own
engagement, I'll leave this to members now to decide if and how to order
stickers for EMF.
Cheers,
On 16/05/2024 09:51, Andy Gaskell wrote:
Hi
Yea, fair enough bringing this back into discus, it's good to have an
open dialogue about these things.
To help us, as an organization, have a shared understanding of how money
is to be spent, I created a wiki page about it.
https://wiki.57north.org.uk/doku.php?id=admin:spending_money
<https://wiki.57north.org.uk/doku.php?id=admin:spending_money>
It's a wiki page, so amend and improve it as you see fit :)
I also created a stickers page, so we can share sticker designs, info on
suppliers and tips.
https://wiki.57north.org.uk/doku.php?id=projects:stickers
<https://wiki.57north.org.uk/doku.php?id=projects:stickers>
I think if we store sticker designs here, work won't be lost & they can
be reprinted in future.
I guess in practice, there are a few separate questions...
1) Do we have this money available to spend?
2) Do members think this is a good thing to spend money on?
More info on what is proposed would be handy, for example...
- What do the stickers look like?
- Where would they be bought from?
- How many of each?
...so some of this info would probably be useful to help with this
decision making, and would also mean others could offer help and input.
Thanks
Andy
On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 09:03, Midder <midder(a)protodox.com
<mailto:midder@protodox.com>> wrote:
__
I'm going to Bring this back into discuss,
I disagree with membership being use as an issue here. Someone not
being a paying member is not a concern I have over decision making
in 57north.
However the spending we do has to aligned with to forwarding 57north
is, I would ague that these stickers are really for Scotcon, where
there is an overlap and raises the profile of 57north in the
national and international community.
Midder
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [57north-discuss] Re: Sticker making session & bulk
ordering
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 06:07:13 +0100
Hi Vishnee,
I am taking this email chain out of the discussion mailing list.
We are appreciative of your work putting into designing stickers,
however there are some serious concerns about your request. Some
have already been raised by other directors of 57North.
We are a community led organisation, and do not have the budget to
spend £320 on stickers. If it were to be £100 or so, that would be
different story.
Our source of income is generated through membership fees, and we
want to ensure the money is not spend on a folly of one or two of
the members, but rather have a meaningful contribution to the
community. Without knowing the actual designs of your stickers, we
do not have sufficient information to assess whether your stickers
are a folly or benefit the hackerspace members. Looking at the file
names, my observation is they are for your folly, i.e. social centre
activity, but I am happy to be corrected.
Another point of concern is that you are not a paying member. While
you are free to make suggestions to the space, we are free to ignore
them. On this occasion we have given it consideration, and not
deemed it worthwhile for our cause. If you were a paying member, you
would be having more say in our spends, but not at this time.
If you have any queries on our decision making, I would encourage
you to become a paying member and raise them queries at the AGM.
Best regards,
Wouter
On Wed, 15 May 2024, 22:35 Victoria Neumann, <me(a)vishnee.de
<mailto:me@vishnee.de>> wrote:
Sheet stickers are not durable though. They might be cheap, but
that's
why they are cheap. Like the small Gary ones that are still
having around.
Looking for vinyl or PVC sticklers, the cheapest I found were
those from
https://www.stickermarket.co.uk/ <https://www.stickermarket.co.uk/>
If you can find some for similar quality, you welcome to search
for it.
Took some stickers off the list and Midder is happy to pay £120,
so that
would make the whole amount for hacklab for just over £320 (see
screenshot).
cheers,
vishnee
On 15/05/2024 09:39, Andy Gaskell wrote:
<https://www.facemediagroup.co.uk/promo-print/stickers/sticker-sheets
<https://www.facemediagroup.co.uk/promo-print/stickers/sticker-sheets>>
> I was wondering what we did
before, and if we wrote it down,
all I could
> Not sure what exactly we can
afford, but there might be more
cost
> effective options.
> I'm happy to help with
preparing design files for printing,
done a fair
> bit of that before in a past life.
> Looking back through things,
the last 3 figure expenditure
(aside from
https://lists.57north.org.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/57north-discuss@lists…
<https://lists.57north.org.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/57north-discuss@lists.57north.org.uk/thread/VYOPSMYSOGWY6DNF3BWKKUQPOFAEHJTR/>
<https://lists.57north.org.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/57north-discuss@lists.57north.org.uk/thread/VYOPSMYSOGWY6DNF3BWKKUQPOFAEHJTR/
<https://lists.57north.org.uk/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/57north-discuss@lists.57north.org.uk/thread/VYOPSMYSOGWY6DNF3BWKKUQPOFAEHJTR/>>
> I think we're generally
pretty cautious on spending hackspace
funds, but
> Cheers
> Andy
> On Wed, 15 May 2024 at
08:14, Tom Jones <tj(a)enoti.me
<mailto:tj@enoti.me>
> <mailto:tj@enoti.me <mailto:tj@enoti.me>>> wrote:
> Hi,
> £750 is far in excess of
what the hackerspace can afford
to spend on
> Anything ordered before
approval will not be reimbursed.
> Tom
> On Tue, May 14, 2024, at
23:12, Victoria Neumann wrote:
> > hi everyone,
> >
> > there are now 7 stickers (in total 9 version) to be
ordered and
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Hiya
Who was the sticker printing with & how many of each of the 9
stickers
would that be?
Last time I got stickers done, which was a few years ago, I
used FMG
down in Brighton. I'd used them for
stationery, flyers and cards
before. Looking at their website they've got loads of
options, but
you
can buy 100 sheets of A4 stickers for £192.
Depending how big
the
stickers were, but could probably get 4 sets of 9
on an A4
sheet, so
that'd be 400 x 9 stickers.
https://www.facemediagroup.co.uk/promo-print/stickers/sticker-sheets
<https://www.facemediagroup.co.uk/promo-print/stickers/sticker-sheets>
find was from 2016, on
https://scottishconsulate.org/33c3/planning
<https://scottishconsulate.org/33c3/planning>
<https://scottishconsulate.org/33c3/planning
<https://scottishconsulate.org/33c3/planning>> which mentions 500
stickers for £20. Looking at the website it
mentions,
digitalprinting.co.uk <http://digitalprinting.co.uk>
<http://digitalprinting.co.uk <http://digitalprinting.co.uk>>
there are a lot of
options, but, for example, it looks like you can
get 100
sheets, with 48
> stickers per sheet for £16.
rent) that was discussed, was the proposal for a
load of
welding gear,
which was £700-1000, but we decided we
couldn't really afford
that.
> The email thread from last January is at...
I think that's kind of a fair responsibility
to the
membership, which is
> where the money comes from, at the end of the day. Financials,
> expenditure and stuff will be things to go through at the AGM on
> (provisionally) the 18th of June.
stickers. Please do not order anything
without approval
from the board.
it comes
> out to about £750.
>
> Is that still ok to use hacklab funds for the emf
sticker
exchange?
>
> cheers,
> vishnee
>
> On 16/04/2024 20:59, vishnee wrote:
>> hello everyone,
>>
>> the lack of cool buckie, gary and other stickers
cannot
stand,
>> especially before emf!
>>
>> for this i'm planning a diy sticker making session
next
week
during the
<https://stickeroperation.center/how-to-sticker/>
> open day following the guiede by the c3stoc
(c3 sticker
operation centre):
>> https://stickeroperation.center/how-to-sticker/
<https://stickeroperation.center/how-to-sticker/
<https://stickeroperation.center/how-to-sticker/>>
>>
>> join with ideas, recommendations, or sticker files
you'd
like to
see!
<mailto:57north-discuss@lists.57north.org.uk>
>
> also, could we do a bulk order via the hacklab?
>
> cheers,
> vishnee
>
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